Talk:2022–2023 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure

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"Remedies" potential new section[edit]

I've been updating on the floating powerships Turkey is seeking to provide. There have been donations of generators and other general humanitarian aid - but help specifically in terms of providing energy assistance probably belongs in this article. I'll have a look for sources. Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Qualitatively, Ukraine is adding dozens and likely hundreds large generators, as well as importing thousands smaller ones. It's described frequently by testimonies and anecdotes. It's replacing the traditional, centralized (for economy of scale) powerful power grid by a more resilient, decentralized one. For that conclusion i have no clear source yet. But it's what they do. Yug (talk) 🐲 10:36, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Yug: I've been searching. Sources seem to be only trade press releases. There's a 'Ukraine Energy Support Fund' but I can't see who set it up.https://erranet.org/press-release-erra-provides-financial-support-for-ukraines-energy-sector/ UK have put in £10m but the only cite I can find is to the government website. Astonishing really.Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit request: December 29 attack[edit]


  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}): Now that more details are available, we can safely expand the subsection to provide more information about the attack.
  • Why it should be changed: We now have information about the amount of rockets and drones involved in the attack. The previous information about 100+ rockets involved in the attack was attributed to an Office of the President of Ukraine official and was not credible.
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

1) [1]; [2] -- news articles referencing the attack, number of missiles and launch locations, as well as number of civilian casualties; 2) [3] - Kyiv Regional Military administration Telegram post detailing one of the rockets damaging a house in Darnyts'kyi district; 3) [4] - Mayor Klychko confirming at least 3 wounded civilians in the attack.

  • Proposed edit:

In early morning hours of December 29, Russia has launched a new wave of cruise missiles towards Ukrainian territories. 54 out of 69 missiles were intercepted, including 16 over Kyiv and 21 over Odesa. [5] [6] According to the Air Force Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, missiles used in the attack included the Kh-101, Kh-555 and Kalibr cruise missiles. [7]

At least 3 civilians, as well as a civilian house in Darnyts'kyi district, had been wounded in Kyiv. [8] [9]

-- akmLaVx (t/c) 12:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On hold this is not a clear X to Y. Could you use the format of X to Y? Lemonaka (talk) 14:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. Terajima, Asami (2022-12-29). "Update: Ukraine downs 54 out of 69 missiles amid Russia's 8th mass attack". The Kyiv Independent. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
  2. ^ "Ukraine's Air Forces specify what weapons and areas Russia used to attack on 29 December". Ukrainska Pravda. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
  3. ^ "КМВА (Київська міська військова адміністрація)". Telegram. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
  4. ^ "Віталій Кличко". Telegram. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
  5. ^ Terajima, Asami (2022-12-29). "Update: Ukraine downs 54 out of 69 missiles amid Russia's 8th mass attack". The Kyiv Independent. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
  6. ^ "Ukraine's Air Forces specify what weapons and areas Russia used to attack on 29 December". Ukrainska Pravda. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
  7. ^ Zaluzhnyi, Valerii (2022-12-29). "Update on December 29 rocket attack on Ukraine". Facebook. Retrieved 2022-12-29.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  8. ^ "Віталій Кличко". Telegram. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
  9. ^ "КМВА (Київська міська військова адміністрація)". Telegram. Retrieved 2022-12-29.
Thank you Aklavx, your text was well sourced and spot on. Yug (talk) 🐲 13:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done Lemonaka (talk) 14:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When adding info to this article please consider whether it falls under the heading of strikes against infrastructure. If the article were to include all attacks it would become very long and unfocused. Whilst absolutely awful, I'm not certain that the attack on Kherson should be here. Just a thought, cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2022[edit]

Under the "Spillover" section for Belarus, change the following paragraph:

Following the December 29th 2022 wave of missile, one missile crashed in Belarusian territories. The missile is believed to be an Ukrainian sol-air missile which failed to intercept its Russian target and eventually crashed in Belarus. (Has no citation)

To

On December 29th, 2022, it was reported that a Ukrainian S-300 air defense missile was shot down by Belorussian authorities after it strayed into Belarus. Both side have acknowledged that this incident was an accident.

While referencing this source:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-air-defence-missile-lands-belarus-belta-2022-12-29/ Hypoxine (talk) 06:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On hold Seemingly reliable but I can't make sure whether this change is an improvement, waiting for editors who are familiar with this topic. Lemonaka (talk) 08:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done. With some slight alterations for protocols, language etc. And thanks very much for pointing this out.Thelisteninghand (talk)
No problem :) Hypoxine (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Protection status[edit]

I dont remember this article having ever been willfully vandalized and the topic is lowly maintained now. Past waves barely gathered 6 lines. Could we unprotect the page to let every interested party to contribute ? Yug (talk) 🐲 19:18, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree here. Hypoxine (talk) 20:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@User:Yug Hi, sorry, but this article is protected for arbcom enforcement, FYI wp:ARBEE. This may not unprotect until arbcom make a decision. Lemonaka (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it is unprotected the whole world comes in. Protection is an admin thing. Yug, I've been busy elsewhere and that's one editor not here for the last two weeks! Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2023[edit]

Any further contributions after today will need a title change yet again. Suggest "2022-23 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure". Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move 1 January 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Lemonaka (talk) 16:47, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


2022 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure2022–2023 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure – It is now 2023 in Ukraine. Airstrikes still maintain. Lemonaka (talk) 07:11, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Thelisteninghand, @Hypoxine, @Yug, request for move as your request. Lemonaka (talk) 07:11, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

1-2 Jan confusion[edit]

The line recently added states that all 80 drones were shot down while citing press that says the number is 39. Three people are reported killed in the line above so this is a very confusing statement for the reader. I've adjusted the 'shot down' number but this is now an incomplete statement. Please make your edits absolutely clear. Thelisteninghand (talk) 16:18, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There were several waves within 2 days, one early wave involved 20 drones, one other 39 drones. The total for Jan. 1-2 have been claimed by UKR gov as "80 drones, all downed". The sources are there. But if we mix the chronology it seems absurd, yes. (I'm entering a wikipause, I can drop sources but can't write/monitor/get into the editing process much, my apologize) -- Yug 16:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Yug. You have two citations and I cannot see where it says that all 80 were shot down - although probable - that's why I removed it. I will have a search to see if I can find supporting cites. Cheers.Thelisteninghand (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC) DoneThelisteninghand (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

English[edit]

Please note when contributing that this article is written in British English. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC) Defence not defense, please. Cheers Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Citations for Dnipro event 14 Jan[edit]

There's two cites to the same Pravda news item. (111, 111) In general it's possible have too many citations on wikipedia and five might be over the limit for one sentence. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 16:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re-written 26 jan[edit]

@Pranesh Ravikumar: Hi - you've deleted quite a lot of other editor's contributions here, perhaps an oversight? Can you please fix it and make the passage read a bit better - 'stated' is repeated too often. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Right now editing accordingly, in case if you find too much repeating words you could rewrite from your end. Pranesh Ravikumar (talk) 03:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Pranesh Ravikumar: Please revert your deletions. Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]